RE: Demented Stuff In The Bible.

I was debating with a christian on xanga and gave the below response (minus the bold bits), to which they responded by reasonably asking me to give scripture references.  I decided that if I’m going to go to the bother to look them all up (a random smattering of demented things in the bible) I might as well make it into a blog.

So enjoy.

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You cherry pick what to believe in the bible as much as anyone.  Do you believe genocide of non-believers is okay?  Read exodus, moses wipes out thousands of innocent people for not worshiping his god. 

“Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD’s side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.  And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.  And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.” (exodus 32:26-28)

“Do you believe in killing children because the leader of their country did something wrong?” 

This was a reference to god killing the firstborn son of everyone in egypt (who wasn’t jewish, so it was race/nationality-based child murder which is possibly even more demented) because the pharoah pissed him off.  This story is very well known so I don’t feel the need to give a quote for this one.

“Do you believe children should be punished with physical pain for the sins of their parents through thousands of generations until the end of time?” 

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (genesis 3:16)  (not to mention the notion of original sin)

“Do you believe that if you were born out of wedlock your great great great great great great great great grandchild (and all of the descendants in-between) should be barred from heaven as punishment?”

“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.” (deut. 23:2)

“Do you believe in animal or human sacrifice?”

“Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah.  Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.”  (Genesis 22:1-18) (See also Judges 11:29-40, 1 Kings 13:1-2 and others for instances of human sacrifice)

(animal sacrifice is well known throughout the bible, so again I’m going to be lazy).

“Do you think homosexuals and witches and people with “familiars” should be put executed?”

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” (leviticus 20:13)

“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” (exodus 22:18)

(it’s worth noting that witches did not exist when this was written or any time before or afterward)

“A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.” (leviticus 20:27 – see also I shit you not Leviticus 19:31 Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:11, 1 Samuel 28:3, 2 Kings 21:6, 2 Kings 23:24, 1 Chronicles 10:13, 2 Chronicles 33:6, Isaiah 8:19, Isaiah 19:3, Isaiah 29:4, all of which talk about familiars and wizards as if they’re real)

I can go on.

All of these inane notions (and many, many more) are found in scripture, no one believes them.  So when a christian pretends to be a slave to the teachings of scripture they are either a hypocrite, or their knowledge of the bible has been carefully filtered to exclude most of the less “kosher” parts of the bible.

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End of original post. 

Please rec’ this if you think the bible is insane, or would just like other people to know some of the stuff that’s really in there.

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66 Responses to RE: Demented Stuff In The Bible.

  1. Hezakiah4 says:

    @agnophilo – Yeah,maybe a billion is a bit high, but the Christian track record of slaughtering anyone not of their faith is pretty freaking high by any standard.Many scholors estimate that 26-33 million will killed by Crusaders alone, which BTW includes when the city of Constantinople was sacked during the 6th one.Constantinople was a Christian city ,so the Crusaders looted,raped and murdered their own kind for gold.Have some examples of Christian love:NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY CHRISTIANS SINCE BIBLICAL TIMES *** Jai Maharaj posts – sci.lang | Google GroupsPRE-20TH CENTURY GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDERHow many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?- ExChristian.Net – ArticlesLike I said, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you’re agnostic,athiest, or whatever, but you might learn the how’s ,why’s and whatever’s of how biblical laws were applied to society,culture and politically.

  2. agnophilo says:

    @Hezakiah4 – I don’t know that 26-33 million people existed on earth during the times of the crusades.  Not that it wasn’t an “abomination” to use the biblical term.

  3. Hezakiah4 says:

    @agnophilo – Seems that the athiest role in the grand circus of butchering their fellow man is left out of the equation here as well.Let’s not forget Stalin, who caused the death of some 60 milion.And yes,there were way more than 26-33 million on the planet at the time of the crusades.Add religion or not and you still get mankind at the top of the slaughterhouse stairs when it comes to preying on their own in the name of idealogy.

  4. agnophilo says:

    @Hezakiah4 – “Seems that the athiest role in the grandcircus of butchering their fellow man is left out of the equation hereas well.Let’s not forget Stalin, who caused the death of some 60milion.”Never once ever did stalin say he was an atheist.  But thanks for being a dick.And even if he was an atheist, that would not mean atheism is responsible, atheism is not a moral doctrine that tells you to kill people.  Christianity is.”And yes,there were way more than 26-33 million on the planet atthe time of the crusades.”How do you know this?”Add religion or not and you stillget mankind at the top of the slaughterhouse stairs when it comes topreying on their own in the name of idealogy.”Yes, and leukemia isn’t bad because it’s not the only cancer that kills people.

  5. Hezakiah4 says:

    @agnophilo – Stalin is quoted as saying “You know, they are fooling us, there is no God…all this talk about God is sheer nonsense” in E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists#Politics_and_law says that stalin is an atheist and uses my above quote to prove it. In case you slept in school, religious tolerance wasn’t a big key factor in communist Russia.World population estimates:International ProgramsDick? Sorry, I didn’t know I was talking to a 14 year old. 

  6. agnophilo says:

    @Hezakiah4 – “Stalin is quoted as saying “You know,they are fooling us, there is no God…all this talk about God is sheernonsense” in E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, ForeignLanguages Publishing House, Moscow 1940http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists#Politics_and_lawsays that stalin is an atheist and uses my above quote to prove it.”Yes, the book goes on to claim that he became an atheist as a young boy because he read the works of charles darwin, a deist who in his writings assumed and spoke of the existence of a creator.  That passage and the surrounding ones has been used to smear and attack atheism and science for a long time, and for obvious reasons is most likely fictional.However stalin published poetry, of which these are fractions:(…) In his burden and songlike the beam of the Sun,lived great truth –DIVINE dream.(…) But people who forgot GOD,with darkness in their hearts,instead of wine served poisonto him in the cup. And told to him: “Damn you!Drink this cup to the bottom!…And your song is alien for us,and we don’t need your truth!” But you knew that, because I got it from the same wikipedia page you copied your argument from.”Incase you slept in school, religious tolerance wasn’t a big key factorin communist Russia.”Under stalin’s regime over 25,000 christian churches were built idiot.  They opposed “heretical” churches as a danger to communism and embraced them after the nazis invaded to improve morale and help the war effort.  That no more proves he was an atheist than it proves he was a theist.”World population estimates:International Programs”So by your reckoning they killed off half to 3/5ths of the world’s population?”Dick? Sorry, I didn’t know I was talking to a 14 year old.”Yeah, because only 14 year olds give ad hominem attacks… like calling someone a 14 year old.

  7. Any written material is subject to interpretation. Consequently, your statement,The bible is a gold mine of crazy warped bullshit, really means that you are “a gold mine of crazy warped bullshit” since that’s what you see when you read the Bible.  You are simply projecting yourself onto what you are reading.To understand the Bible, means that you have to understand some of God’s attributes and the reason he had the Bible written.  That means getting out of your own “crazy warped bullshit” head so that isn’t what gets mirrored back to you when you read actual divine wisdom.

  8. agnophilo says:

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace – Okay so tell me what non-crazy, non-warped thing those passages are talking about? Because apparently I read an edict instructing you to kill people who don’t exist and because I’m so fucked up I thought it was insane and demented.You’re acting like someone in an abusive relationship.  It’s not the man’s fault for beating you up because you deserved it.You’re rationalizing the demented stuff in the bible by deciding that I’m just some evil asshole for pointing it out.

  9. An attribute of God is that he is all good.  That means that people who go against him are evil.The Hebrews had seen God manifest himself in incredible ways and had been freed from slavery and promised a homeland.Inspite of all that, there were evil, wicked people who turned against God who is all loving and all good.God had those wicked, evil people exterminated.  Such an act is moral since it is God who determines what is right and wrong.In your arrogance, you have judged God, Creator of the universe.  You are able to judge God because you are amoral and have chosen to determine your own morality.

  10. agnophilo says:

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace – So you’re denouncing secular philosophers as being able to make anything moral, while rationalizing a bronze-age 9/11?You’re the one who believes mass-murder is SWELL so long as you think god wants you to, not me.

  11. @agnophilo – I don’t believe that mass murder is swell.  I never said that.  Since you have enough trouble clearly stating your own beliefs you should refrain from telling others what they believe.

  12. agnophilo says:

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace – No you just explicitly said slaughtering, er I mean “exterminating” 3,000 people was morally fine because god signed off on it.  How is that anything but believing mass-murder is or can be moral?

  13. @agnophilo – Since God is the Creator, who is all knowing and all loving it is impossible for him to be immoral.  Everything he does is right.  Therefore when God orders the killing of wicked people it is the right thing to do.Since the atheist denies the existence of God, it becomes necessary for the atheist to set himself up as the one who is all knowing and all loving, and for whom it is impossible to be immoral.Such is the thinking of the Marxist-atheist mass murderer.Such thinking is the foundation of the leftist mindset.  You folks can do no wrong, everything you do is to help the masses who exist far beneath you, and it you who define right and wrong for the masses but exempt yourselves.ObamaCare anyone?  Congress exempted itself from the truly criminal legislation they are forcing on everyone else.  If it were such a great plan, why would Congress not want it as their health care program too?

  14. agnophilo says:

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace – “Since God is the Creator, who is all knowing and all loving it is impossible for him to be immoral.  Everything he does is right.  Therefore when God orders the killing of wicked people it is the right thing to do.”So now mass-murder is moral again.  Make up your deluded mind already.”Since the atheist denies the existence of God, it becomes necessary for the atheist to set himself up as the one who is all knowing and all loving, and for whom it is impossible to be immoral.”No, that would be retarded.”Such is the thinking of the Marxist-atheist mass murderer.”The countries with the highest rates of atheism have some of the lowest rates of crime and homicide in the world.  Sweden and norway are 70-80% atheists and sweden has 1/3 the number of murders per capita than the US, while norway has less than a fifth.There have been many mass-murderers, christian atheist and beyond.  To single out mass-murderers who were not christian and use them to smear non-christians is repugnant and dishonest.  No more valid than holding up a christian serial killer or child molester and saying “See, this is what YOU CHRISTIANS like!”It’s really pathetic, shitty behavior.”Such thinking is the foundation of the leftist mindset.  You folks can do no wrong, everything you do is to help the masses who exist far beneath you, and it you who define right and wrong for the masses but exempt yourselves.”This doesn’t match up to reality.  I don’t know any “liberal” that isn’t critical of the president and their congressmen.  Just because they don’t think obama is a secret muslim commie sent by aliens to kill us all doesn’t mean they think he can do no wrong.  I mean his approval rating has gone down significantly as the economy has worsened, doesn’t that by definition falsify your claim?”ObamaCare anyone?  Congress exempted itself from the truly criminal legislation they are forcing on everyone else.  If it were such a great plan, why would Congress not want it as their health care program too?”It’s a red herring.  Even if every democrat in congress were evil it wouldn’t support your generalization.

  15. @agnophilo – So now mass-murder is moral again.  I said that all of God’s actions are moral.  That in no way means it is moral for human beings to commit mass murder.Man is not God.  We commit moral and immoral actions whereas all of God’s actions are moral.  His actions are moral because God is all good.Your comment is another example of your atheist stunted intellect.  When it comes to discussions about God, you may as well be a rock.  Nothing penetrates.No, that would be retarded.That’s exactly what I said, you are retarded.  Atheism makes you retarded.  For if you do not accept an authority higher than yourself, you must assign someone or something as the higher authority.Atheists and liberals assign that higher authority to themselves and/or to the State, which they control.

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