I wrote this response to a fundamentalist christian and got into some stuff toward the end that was very blog-worthy. So please read:
“A human being can fall in love with anything. You can read about people falling in love with their animals. There are those that swear they are in love with little children only a few years old. A human being is capable of all these things.”
You cannot compare loving a person with loving an animal, or child molestation to consensual adult sex, and if you could you could use it to impeach straight sex and marriage equally. There is nothing homosexual or heterosexual about pedophilia or bestiality, and both are wrong for their own reasons, none of which apply to homosexuality.
“Then there are those from all these perversions of natural order that correct themselves or are in some of their own words delivered from it.”
There is no scientific evidence that gay people can make themselves straight or visa versa. Bisexual people can stick to one gender and gay people can force themselves to go through the motions of acting straight, but that is it.
“So, people are capable of many things and they can claim they were born that way but as I showed in my blog, if nature made them that way and they are left alone to do same sex, NATURE will have succeeded in eliminating them from the world in one generation.”
As I said in my first response, that is not true since homosexuality is developmental, not hereditary. You either didn’t read my response or didn’t understand it.
Imagine if the roles were reversed and you were only attracted to women and homosexuality were the biological norm. Would it be fair or someone to say you weren’t allowed to marry a woman and had to marry and have sex with a man? It would be disgusting and wrong and violate everything you are.
That is the position a gay woman is in. If you tried even a little bit to empathize with and understand their position you might have an ounce of compassion for them.
“So, I see the explanation given in the Bible is borne out by nature, science and revelation. If not I suppose God owes Sodom and Gormorrah an apology.”
I think mass-murderers generally owe an apology to their victims.
“Yet as an American, I think people should be left alone to do what they want. That does not mean that they should be left alone to change common sense law.”
It isn’t “common sense law”, it’s religious law. And if we never changed “common sense law” we would still own slaves. Which yes, is also sanctioned in scripture.
“So, no, they were not born that way. Too many who thought they were are no longer homosexuals.”
No, too many who are say that they are not to get back into the good graces of their christian communities so they can try to piece their lives together and not spend their lives treated like a leper. Or because of denial, that happens too.
“If you feel differently, its ok. I have heard much talk but none of it makes as much sense as I have shown in my assertions.”
You really haven’t.
“You should not build law upon sentimentalities alone. Because I love my Homosexual sibling does not means it makes any more sense.”
It doesn’t make any sense to you because you’re not gay. It makes sense to them.
The fact of the matter is people are biologically born gay and can’t help it – this is both the overwhelming testimony of gay people and the scientific consensus where neurologists do tests to measure peoples’ unconscious reaction to stimuli to verify that it’s an automatic response. Christians don’t accept this only for the same reason they resisted the idea that slavery was wrong in the civil war era, because it calls the infallibility of scripture into question.
“If love is what they want, same sex couples say they have it from their partners. The truth is that they want something else.”
Since when did people have to choose between equal civil rights and love?
“They want the World to declare in the face of God and man that their relationships are natural and equal to those for which marriage was made, opposites.”
The same argument was made when marriage was “re-defined” to be between people of different races. The fact of the matter is gay marriages take place all the time, loads of churches perform gay marriages. That isn’t the issue. The issue is that gay couples pay more taxes and can collect fewer benefits and have over 1 thousand fewer legal rights and protections than straight couples, the total number is about 1400 fewer legal rights.
Imagine if your wife died of an easily preventable disease because you had family insurance that covered your spouse but the insurance company didn’t recognize your marriage as valid, and you couldn’t see her in the hospital on her deathbed because the hospital didn’t consider you legally family so her parents who didn’t approve of your marriage could shut you out for weeks while she died. Then you couldn’t have her buried next to you or have custody of her children or inherit the house you’d been living together in for years because the state just considered you an acquaintance of hers with no legal standing. Then multiply that by a thousand and that’s the plight of gay people in this country.
I don’t know how anyone can put themselves in a gay person’s shoes and not have some compassion. Yeah you consider gay people perverts, but I don’t see you going around saying straight perverts should be stripped of over a thousand legal rights.
It’s not about marriage (again, gay marriage happens all the time), it’s about civil rights. But it makes christians feel icky to think about so they don’t deserve the legal protections christians take for granted.
“Be of good cheer.
Of course. I will still argue with you though.