Re: Challenge(s) To Bible Critics.

My response to a challenge to skeptics of the bible someone posted:

1) Present one piece of archaeological evidence which disproves the history recorded in the Bible.

I can give you thousands.  Every artifact or document or tablet or coin or reference to a leader or dynasty of every post-flood civilization prior to 2400 B.C.E.

2) Present one prophecy in the Bible which has not come to pass as predicted.

Jesus saying the end of the world would happen within one generation in matthew 24:34, just off the top of my head.

3) Present one person in history, other than Jesus Christ, who has fulfilled the “vague” prophecies of the Messiah.

Why should anyone fulfill them from a secular point of view?  How is “prove the messiah is real and prophecies are fulfilled” a challenge to skeptics of the bible?  And people who read the old testament writing that the prophecies were fulfilled after the fact is not the same thing as it having demonstrably happened any more than the author of harry potter is a prophet for writing down a prophecy in book 1 that would be fulfilled in book 7.  You ignore entirely the possibility that it’s simply not true.

4) Present one papyrus or parchment ancient manuscript more reliable than those of the New Testament.

This would take forever to quantify and demonstrate to you, it is a very impractical challenge.  I’m not going to write a book-long explanation of both every sentence of an ancient document and all sixty-six books of the modern bible.  Of which by the way over a dozen have been deleted since the days of the early church.  The bible also contains references to dozens of texts now not considered canonical.  In it’s perfection.

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13 Responses to Re: Challenge(s) To Bible Critics.

  1. TheSutraDude says:

    the person who presented this challenge is obviously and woefully ignorant of other religions as well. 

  2. @TheSutraDude – The discussion is an interesting and important one, but one that can be hard to have. Most Christians are naturally more interested in the content of the Bible than its factual/fictitious basis.

  3. TheSutraDude says:

    @Celestial_Teapot – yes but i have found discussions with many Xanga Christians become elliptical and at best end in an agreement to disagree. a real knowledge of other religions and philosophies can shine a lot of light on one’s own beliefs and worldview. unfortunately religious patriotism keeps many from stepping outside the ellipse. 

  4. Yeah I wonder who posted this challenge..

  5. I wish this challenge had been posted on the Revelife main page. It would have been torn apart even by some of the more honest Christians who read it.

  6. agnophilo says:

    @nyclegodesi24 – Heh.@GodlessLiberal – A few non-literalists maybe.

  7. agnophilo says:

    @TheSutraDude – Religious people tend to not know much about other peoples’ religions.@Celestial_Teapot – True, both the supernatural and the emotional benefits stem from believing and are threatened by questioning.  It’s like the heat from a fire feeding itself.

  8. Re: #2.No less a luminary than C.S. Lewis comments on this, I think, in The World’s Last Night.  He acknowledges the terrible embarrassment it must’ve been to the believers in the post-apostolic generation.  He also infers that the copyists and scriibes responsible for transcribing the sacred texts weren’t complete idiots.  They were aware of the glaring inconsistency.  But their commitment to—how shall I say it—for lack of a better term–intellectual honesty outweighed their desire to put a good face on their religion.  Unlike some modern movements, they did not go back and edit or retrofit the foundational documents to remove traces of the unfulfilled prophecy.You’re certainly at liberty to debate or find fault with that conclusion.

  9. @agnophilo – my experience has been that those who are the most devoted students of their own faith can’t help but be impelled to study the faith of others.  Further, those who really embrace the worthy moral and ethical principles of their own religion will find themselves resonating with the corresponding principles of other religions.  Just off the top of my head, I think of George Fox, the founder of the Friends, or Quakers.  They believed implicitly that the Divine Light shown in all peoplesI’ll also be the first to concede your point, that religious can be bigoted and narrow-minded.  But I don’t attribute this to the observance of a religion.  I put the blame on the decision in an individual’s heart to turn away from that inner light.I’ll try not to wax too lengthy.  I will only cite both Oskar Schindler and Corrie ten Boom.   He, of course, was the profiteer made famous by the movie Schindler’s List.  She was a marvelous Dutch lady whose family smuggled out dozens of Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis.  The entire family ended up in concentration camps.So here we have a worldly entrepreneur, not terribly ethical, and a pious Sunday School teacher, both of whom felt the overpowering moral imperative, and acted with great courage.

  10. agnophilo says:

    @wrybreadspread – Thanks for the comment, though it seems like you’re replying to a lot of stuff I didn’t say, lol.

  11. re: #1I’ll even give you an example.Joshua 8:28So Joshua burned Ai and made it a permanent heap of ruins, a desolate place to this day.Based on all the reading I’ve done, including Bible version footnotes, Ai was, according to the best archeological estimates, was already destroyed by the time Joshua and his boys marched through that part of Canaan.  Can I explain the discrepency?  No.But…I did just now googlehttp://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/conquest_ai.phpI submit this, just for your offhand pursual

  12. @agnophilo – I know.  I tend to do that.  One topic leads to another and I don’t know when to quit.  Maybe it’s my efforts to compensate for the anti-intellectual stigma Christians have.Or could it be I’m trying to impress you with my profound learning and intellectual grasp?  (tongue in cheek) 😀

  13. agnophilo says:

    @wrybreadspread – Oh I’m sure many biblical prophecies aren’t accurate, and I’ve heard of others.  But yeah, I have long since abandoned the idea of biblical inerrancy.  @wrybreadspread – Nah, couldn’t be that : P  (kidding).  I don’t assume christians are stupid, though many are anti-intellectual.  And I think an important part of intellectual pursuits is skepticism and self-doubt, which are taboo in most organized religions.  As a result a lot of otherwise very intelligent people can’t really be skeptical of certain ideas.

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