This is a response I gave to a creationist on xanga defending kirk cameron saying homosexuality is “destructive to the foundations of civilization” etc. She was arguing in other comments that he wasn’t a homophobe (as someone had commented) because he wasn’t “afraid” of gay people and that what he was saying wasn’t discrimination because he’s simply stating what he believes. I was a bit more pissy in my response than usual, but I figured it was blogworthy anyhow:
Saying that a minority is a threat to society that must be dealt with is how you promote discrimination of that minority. American evangelists promoted the idea that, for instance, most child molesters are gay in uganda, which lead to legislation being proposed to make being gay punishable by death. If you think christians, gays, jews or whoever are by their mere existence an automatic threat to you and yours it will be very easy to persecute them.
“But keep in
mind this – Kirk Cameron (NOR I) believes ANY of that hooey about being
part of the “Animal Kingdom”…”
Because you are both ignorant of the meaning of the word animal and have zero understanding of taxonomy. Are you a mammal? Guess what, mammals are animals.
“The bible talks about the differences
between us and animals and how we have responsibility being more
cognitive than them and actually “Lord’s” over them. “
The bible was written thousands of years before these terms were invented and in no way could possibly refer to “animal” in a taxonomical sense.
things out of pure instinct… AKA, A dog will hump a LEG if he’s
Google “foot fetish” or “dry humping”, people do that too.
“so scientifically, I could also say that it’d be totally
natural for men to hump legs when they’re horny (by the logic that
things that are scientifically observed in the animal kingdom)”
First of all there’s nothing scientific about your nonsense, you don’t even know what science is. And secondly everything that exists is natural (ie found in nature). Natural does not mean good. Some species eat their young, others care for their young. Good things are good, bad things are bad regardless of whether they are “natural” or not.
believes that we are all CREATIONS of a most high God with a purpose,
and a destiny, and that if the bible says something is one way, it’s
because it’s dangerous to mankind.”
So are you going to execute gay men? The part of the bible that says homosexuality is an abomination says to kill them. So either promote that or shut the hell up. But even you know that is psychotic and evil.
“Kirk does NOT believe that God gives
laws to be “mean” (Nor do I) He believes that God gives laws because bad
things happen not only to people, but to a civilization when you don’t
follow them. (Since ya know, He made everything)”
Yes, 9/11 happened because men kiss each other. Or maybe it happened because you married an atheist. The bible after all says not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. So maybe you’re an evil sinner that needs to be done away with for the good of society too. I bet you don’t even cover your head when you pray as required of women in first corinthians. Yeah I bet all kinds of nasty evil things can be attributed to you. We should treat you like you’re a drug dealer or a pedophile or something. Remember, it’s not discrimination if you believe in it.
reason that Christians try to tell others that they’re wrong on a matter
is because they truly CARE… If God almight gave such a law, then it
must be really bad for them.”
So stop being a hypocrite and divorce your husband, wear a burka, don’t let any man come near you on your period or for a week after you’ve had a child (twice as long if it’s a girl), repeal women’s right to vote because it’s exercising authority over a man which is a clear no-no in scripture. Or alternately you could give your vote to your husband since he is allowed to reverse any promise you make. Of course you couldn’t with your first husband, and divorce is punishable by death so I guess you’re just out of luck there.
Want me to go on you ignorant hypocrite?
“NOW, you could argue, sure that
“Hey, nothing bad happens to gay people…” That’s fine, maybe you’re
right in your own eyes. But, I’m sure that if there is a God,
and He gave a decree, then there’s a reason.”
It’s true no matter what the evidence is. Gotta love closed reasoning.
“That’s all I’m
saying. I understand that a lot of people see “gay hater” or
“homophobe,” etc… but keep in mind that while some people MIGHT be
that way, most of us (christians) actually care about humanity and
believe in a loving forgiving God who gave us rules to follow for a
reason. Now, if you don’t want any part of that, that’s fine, and we’ll
probably leave you alone (unless we’re the Westboro Baptist Church :P)
But, care is usually the way that we are taught.”
I don’t see a gay hater or a homophobe. I see a vast sea of hypocrites and ignoramuses. Masquerading as champions of virtue and only pushing for the enforcement of rules that effect minorities. Or is there a ban on divorce, premarital sex etc coming right after the ban on gay marriage? What, did you pray about it and god told you whatever you do is kosher?
You’re all ignorant and full of shit, every single last one of you. And by “you” I mean people that push this bronze age bullshit and pretend they’re following god’s will when they’re really just hiding behind scripture to justify their own intolerance. And then at the drop of a hat feign persecution.
have never been disrespectful to anyone I know who is gay (unless it was
about something other than being gay). I have also only talked to
someone about being gay if they asked me, or came to me for advice, etc.”
You just think that a book that calls for them to be rounded up and killed is holy and perfect. If I were gay I’d find that pretty disrespectful. Kind of like telling a jew mein hampf is a wonderful philosophy.
“Kirk Cameron has been in hollywood most of his life, I would
assume the above is similar for him. In his position, he KNOWS gay
people. That’s all.”
Yeah, and he and you are both still ignorant and hypocrites who don’t even try to follow scripture (unless you agree with what it says of course).
And the response? Replying to everyone but me.