Re: Is Christianity A “Personal Relationship?”

Someone did a blog with the above title and I gave this response:

I think our brains are just modular.  Our minds work more like a democracy than a dictatorship, different conflicting impulses constantly competing for our actions.  Your christian friend committed adultery for the same reason someone eats a twinky – she wanted to.  And she then tried to fix her marriage for the same reason that person will then go exercise and try to eat better – she wanted to do that too.

We can want opposite things, our rational mind is what tries to govern our emotions and impulses and decide what’s best for us.  Some people choose to personify parts of themselves and call them god or the devil.  In psychology this is called externalization, and it is often either to avoid guilt or shame (“the devil/demon made me do it”) or to allow a broken down person with zero self confidence to have confidence in their wisdom, actions, or decisions by believing they come from someone they can have confidence in – god.

Unfortunately if we’re not careful this can be dangerous – it can for instance give cover to some really crappy impulses, if the person’s a bigot and they externalize their shitty views about minorities and believe they come from god for instance that just makes them all the less able to be reasoned with – after all how dare you question GOD!?  Whereas if it were just their own opinion it might be easier to get them to admit it at least could, hypothetically, be wrong. 

Another problem is that in order to externalize your sense of right and wrong you need to use something… external.  Like the bible.  You may not see this as a downside but I, having read much of the thing (and not just the cuddly bits) and having seen the atrocities justified by scripture, do see it as a downside.  Scripture says many wonderful things and many terrible things and can be invoked just as easily to justify both.

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15 Responses to Re: Is Christianity A “Personal Relationship?”

  1. Table54 says:

    Here at Table 54, we feel that relationships can be anything from something very special to a fantasy.  Relationships with a non-existent supreme being would have to be classified a fantasy.-Y

  2. Hunt4Truth says:

    May I read the original blog? I searched but didn’t find that title. A lot of posts about “What is Christ’s real name” — must be a Xanga survey. Thanks if you can.

  3. NeverSubmit says:

    I enjoyed the phrase “cuddly bits.”  lol

  4. agnophilo says:

    @Table54 – I think people can genuinely think part of their consciousness is external though, that to them it’s not a fantasy.  @striemmy – @Hunt4Truth – The title wasn’t exactly the same (sorry, I was being lazy) but I just searched at length for the original blog and apparently the author responded to my comment by either making it private or deleting the blog.  Sorry.@NeverSubmit – Glad you enjoyed : )

  5. monobeam says:

    Christianity is about a personal relationship.  Jesus wants to be our friend, and to dwell in us — that’s very personal, and sometimes it seems too close, but that’s my fault, not God’s.This is an internal issue.  God wants to be immanent to us, to dwell inside, to be inherent.I was looking forward to seeing what this idea might look like from your point of view.Modular brain?  Lucky you.  My brain is like quick sand — most of the stuff I put there sinks in and gets lost.

  6. you should check out Peter O’Toole in The Ruling Class.  he plays a guy who thinks he’s Jesus.  when someone asks how he first realized it, he delivers one of the simplest but most effective critiques:  (i’m paraphrasing…)I used to pray a lot as a child.  And then one day while praying, I realized I was talking to myself.

  7. Hunt4Truth says:

    @agnophilo – thanks. I won’t comment then.

  8. PPhilip says:

    Bottom line is that Christianity admits that we all have free will and then they introduce a supposed plan that is G-d’s will.The personal relationship is man following a supposed plan from G-d. Attempt by Adam and Eve is the first “failed” relationship. I won’t go into the blame game or why a better plan was needed but basically from a failed relationship we get the “flood” which was G-d’s attempt to “cleanse” the earth.G-d’s relationship with the Israelites sort of continues and Christianity’s relationship with G-d is a break with the ordinary.Christians are called to preach to all the creatures on Earth. The Evangelicals make preaching into a calling. In some ways their “looser” (less restrictive) lifestyle breaks down to being in a grace mode of forgiveness.@Table54 – Yes call it a fantasy even though others insist on being serious. Definitely I think Jews do act pretty serious. Unfortunately fanatics take seriousness to a pretty dangerous level.

  9. agnophilo says:

    @Hunt4Truth – @striemmy – Found it, in my feedback when they left a douchey response.

  10. theKisSilent says:

    This seems to put the Bible on par with guns: The intent of the user is what makes the weapon dangerous. I’m against banning books, but I wonder … has anybody ever compared the number of deaths that are gun related to the number of deaths that are Christianity/Bible related? Just a random question for ya’. Suppose I could Google it …

  11. theKisSilent says:

    P.S. Rick-rolled by Elton John, stayed to listen to the whole thing. Does it defeat the purpose if I enjoy it a little?

  12. Hunt4Truth says:

    “Bottom line is that Christianity admits that we all have free will and then they introduce a supposed plan that is G-d’s will.” @PPhilip – Not true; Free will is not accepted in much of Christianity and in some cases is carefully qualified where it is accepted.”The personal relationship is man following a supposed plan from G-d. Attempt by Adam and Eve is the first “failed” relationship. I won’t go into the blame game or why a better plan was needed but basically from a failed relationship we get the “flood” which was G-d’s attempt to “cleanse” the earth.” @PPhilip – I’m thinking that this isn’t relevant since it doesn’t define “relationship” and the debate is about what a Christian relationship means to a Christian.  If what you wrote may be relevant, please explain “relationship.”The last paragraph that you wrote claims that there is some sort of “dangerous level” and maybe it isn’t relevant either. I wonder what is relevant. @agnophilo – Thanks. I’ll read over what was said. That was nice of you to look for the post.

  13. Thanks for visiting! Happy Valentines day! Did you know that you are dearly loved?”Since you were precious in My sight, you have been honored, and I have loved you…” Isaiah 43:4 (ref. my Xanga post of 2/14/2013 AD)

  14. agnophilo says:

    @Evangelist_Guy – Echo… echo… echo…

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