The Whole “We Didn’t Come From Apes” Thing.

If someone said we descended from lizards I might scoff, but if everyone was born with teeny tiny scales all over their bodies and occasionally someone was born looking like this:

be honest, wouldn’t you rethink the idea?

Well people say we are not only descended from primates, but we are primates to this day.  What evidence is there to support this?

Well…

And so on and so forth.

Not to mention:

Is anyone honestly going to tell me they see no resemblance the other way around between us and our primate relatives?  This guy’s musculature and anatomy don’t remind you of anything?

It’s obvious we have a lot of genes in common, and science has confirmed this by sequencing our genome, we share about 95% of our genes with chimps.  How can we say that these people are obviously close relatives because of their similarities:

And these people are obviously all related:

But not connect the rest of the dots and realize that our family tree is much bigger:

And bigger still:

One of the most profound realizations in human history, and some people don’t want to see it.

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20 Responses to The Whole “We Didn’t Come From Apes” Thing.

  1. It’s amazing how much people get shaken when they can’t explain something or it goes beyond their beliefs.  Then they shut up and won’t finish their argument with me.

  2. leaflesstree says:

    Yeah. And those are some awesome pictures by the way.

  3. Good stuff. I have been watching a lot of shows about evolution lately, because I was raised Christian I didn’t learn that stuff. I find it so exciting and so obvious now. Of course, that makes perfect sense! The confusion of my religion is lifted and I begin to see nature for what it really is. I love it.

  4. Love_in_102 says:

    I was just laughing about this with the bf last night because his impressions of apes are like 100 percent spot on… Noises, facial expressions, all of it. I want to make a video of him and show it to every person who tries to tell me otherwise.

  5. tau_1 says:

    That is not proof, only assumption. They are still looking for the missing links and the links are still missing. My premises is God created kinds of..Primate to man, now that’s funny. A primate is a primate and a man or woman is a man or woman.Gradualistic evolution assume the one creation into a more sophisticated and more complex creature over long periods of time. One creature gradually becomes another.If given enough time Gradualistic evolution, IF TRUE,should have evidence of transitional intermediate life forms infossils and in living animals.The missing links remain missing. Ther are no transitional or in between forms.No plant or animal or human is evolving into a higher form.Those picture only show a defect in body not evolution

  6. agnophilo says:

    @hesacontradiction – I know what that’s like : (@leaflesstree – I agree : )@Dame_Delirium – I know, it really is amazing and beautiful.  It’s a shame that ideologies can make people afraid of the beauty in nature as though it somehow diminishes the supernatural.  Then again I suppose it does.@Love_in_102 – To loosely quote eequalfb from youtube, we go to the zoo and look down on the chimps as being inferior to us because they masturbate and throw feces at people, but if we saw on the news tomorrow that somebody was running through town masturbating and throwing feces at people we wouldn’t be the least bit shocked.@tau_1 –  “That is not proof, only assumption.” Is it proven that you and I have a common ancestor?  Can it be proven (forensically) that two siblings have a common ancestor?  Do you accept the science of a maternity/paternity test?”They are still looking for the missing links and the links are still missing.” “Missing link” is a theological concept that has no meaning in science.  If you mean transitional forms you can buy them on ebay for a few dollars, depending on the rarity (and size) or go dig them up yourself… pretty much anywhere.  “My premises is God created kinds of..”Was this truncated by mistake or were you just purposely vague?”Primate to man, now that’s funny. A primate is a primate and a man or woman is a man or woman.”Actually “primate” doesn’t refer to a species but a collection of species the way “reptile” doesn’t refer to any one species.  Humans have been considered part of the primate family since the 1700’s, shortly after the term was coined.  We are primates (and mammals) to this day.  If we had scales and laid eggs we’d be reptiles.”Gradualistic evolution assume the one creation into a more sophisticated and more complex creature over long periods of time. One creature gradually becomes another.”Evolution doesn’t mean a species will get more or less complex over time, just better adapted to it’s environment.  Often being simpler is more advantageous, as evidenced by the fact that there are many environments we wouldn’t survive in but bacteria thrive in.  And that life changes over time is not an assumption, it’s observed daily.  Google “evolution experiment” some time if you don’t believe me.  You have been grossly misinformed by your evangelical sources of information.”If given enough time Gradualistic evolution, IF TRUE,should have evidence of transitional intermediate life forms infossils and in living animals.”There are tons of them, from snakes with absorbed legs to fossilized turtles without shells and bats without the inner ear structures for sonar to horses with multiple digits and so on and so forth.  I suspect I could list and provide documentation for all of the thousands of intermediate forms in the fossil record until I’m blue in the face and you’d walk away claiming we’d never found any like every other creationist I’ve talked to has ever done.”The missing links remain missing.”The “missing link” never was missing.  Yes there are I’m sure lost lineages that have yet to be discovered and gaps but what else do you expect?  It’s not like we’ve dug a mile underground on every inch of the world.  The idea that ten thousand fossils fulfilling detailed evolutionary predictions proves nothing so long as there’s one we haven’t found is ridiculous.  If you want to base your worldview on selective ignorance you can, but I’ll base mine on the evidence at hand.”Ther are no transitional or in between forms.Here are some of those transitional forms that don’t exist.  Here are some more.  I could give many more but as I said I’m guessing you’d just ignore them so what’s the point.”No plant or animal or human is evolving into a higher form.”There are people and families right now with superhuman intellect, strength, resistances to disease etc.  Both useful mutations which produce “higher” function and their spread through the gene pool by natural selection have been documented, in humans and in the animal kingdom.  We are in fact evolving.  “Those picture only show a defect in body not evolution”The pictures were not supposed to be an example of evolution, but our similarity to our recent (and more distant) evolutionary cousins.

  7. Amandascowen says:

    I believe we are extra terrestrials lol.  Darwin’s evolution explains a lot in evolution of species but  factually there are a few missing links.  We could have even evolved from a  specie not in the ape/chimp category.  Birds are said to be a decendent specie of  the dinosaurs and they   have  almost  no similarities of the genetic traits.

  8. agnophilo says:

    @Amandascowen – See the comment directly above yours as for the “missing link” thing, and humans did not evolve from chimpanzees or any modern species, we are cousins to them (and everything else if you go back far enough).  And we are primates/apes right now, the same way we are mammals right now.  As for birds not sharing any traits with dinosaurs that is ridiculous, look at a bird skeleton and any dinosaur skeleton and tell me there are no structures in common (ie spine, skull, mouth, teeth, hips, legs, arms, claws etc).  In fact virtually the entire skeleton is common traits.  And the few traits that are not found in modern birds but are found in dinosaurs like separate digits in their wings darwin predicted we’d find in the fossil record and two years after he made the prediction archeopteryx was discovered, a prehistoric dinosaur with feathered wings which has five digits with claws in it’s arm/wing.Yes, birds and dinosaurs shared many traits, they share almost all of their traits.  You and a banana share about 25-50% of your DNA.  The reason for this is that your single-celled ancestors were evolving for billions of years before the split that lead to differentiated groups like plants and animals so even though our lineages have branched off and been heavily modified we still share most of our ancestry with plants, insects etc, and this is evident on a cellular level.  The statement that x and y species have no similarities is based on just not looking at them closely enough (or at all).

  9. tau_1 says:

    The evolutionist propaganda machine constantly barrages the world through tv magazines and newspapers with broad ambiguities and undocumented claims supporting evolutionary theiry.So they as that biological evoluton assers that all living organisms are interrelated by unbroken ties of genealogy..However, the absence of fossil evidence for intemediary stage between major transitions in organic desing, indeed our inability even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accouts of evolution. by Dr. Stephen jay GouldQUESTION WHERE ARE THE UNBROKEN TIES?

  10. agnophilo says:

    @tau_1 – Could you acknowledge and maybe even comment on the photographs of transitional forms I linked you to, rather than repeat the claim that they do not exist?  Because if you’re just going to repeat yourself and ignore everything I say, please do it on your own blog.As for your gould quote, he was advocating a theory called “punctuated equilibrium” which suggests sudden, rapid changes take place in species as opposed to gradual, incremental ones (a more rapid, dramatic form of evolution).  His quotes are often taken out of context by creationists who like to pretend he was arguing against evolution.

  11. Amandascowen says:

    @agnophilo – sorry, I misquoted, I meant the external traits like feathers and scales.  But then again the skeleton fame isn’t  always conclusive of origin.  Horses ones had multiple toes (decendents that is) so  over time a species also deviates in internal genetic structure.  Sure   the dinosaur could be the origin of the bird but it could also be the origin…of the kangarroo or a rodent like a squirrel.

  12. agnophilo says:

    @Amandascowen –  “sorry, I misquoted, I meant the external traits like feathers and scales.”  Actually feathers and scales are a perfect example of homology (similarity) because they’re both made of the same substance (keratin) and both made by the same genes.  To quote one study: “It is believed that the genes share a common ancestry and that feather-like keratin genes may have evolved from a scale keratin gene by a single deletion event.” (source)”But then again the skeleton fame isn’t  always conclusive of origin.”  Come again?”Horses ones had multiple toes (decendents that is) so  over time a species also deviates in internal genetic structure.” That horses (and basically everything else that moves) have or once had four limbs with five digits is strong evidence for common ancestry, not against it.  The reason being that it’s a prediction that darwin specifically made in On The Origin Of Species which, if it were wrong, would falsify the theory.”Sure   the dinosaur could be the origin of the bird but it could also be the origin…of the kangarroo or a rodent like a squirrel.”In principle yes, but in fact, no.  We have intermediates in the fossil record between early reptiles and mammals, mammals and dinosaurs and dinosaurs and birds.  Mammals originated long before birds and birds are definitely descended from dinosaurs as evidenced by the fact that to date 24 species of dinosaur have been identified that had feathers and/or feathered wings.  The thing about speciation (the splitting of one species into two) is that once it takes place the two lineages cannot be joined again.  So if mammals originated before birds then that’s that.  Show me a mammal, living or extinct, with feathers and you’ve got a case.  But the odds that such a creature would exist are astronomical, given that the same exact traits are not likely to evolve twice.  When something like a wing does evolve in separate lineages it is always anatomically distinct – the wings of an insect are nothing like the wings of a bird, nor are the genes that build them for instance.

  13. Aloysius_son says:

    I think a lot of people are put off by the notion of descending from apes because it implies that we might not be as divine in our being as we would like to pretend to be. I like to think of it as evloving from a common ancestor. I like to think that the evolutionry process is incomplete. What makes us divine is that we are on the path towards a higher lifeform yet to emerge. Hopefully it will be our lineage that gets to experience this, but if not, oh well. I am enjoying my life for what it is worth regardless.I often wonder what variations of higher evolution are possible in other non earth environments. Its a freaking big universe out there. I just wonder.

  14. agnophilo says:

    @Aloysius_son – The trouble with using beliefs as a way to feel good about ourselves and the world is that we often don’t know (especially early on from a position of ignorance) what will make us feel good.  Christians used to shudder to think that we might ::gasp:: be revolving around the sun.  Now nobody cares.  I never ever stop to wonder how accepting something will make me feel, I only ever ask is it true.  And if it is I deal with it.  As a result I’ve found I don’t have the kind of existential woe and fear that many people have who ask “will believing x make me feel bad” and use that as their guide.  I am reminded of the interview christopher hitchens gave awhile before he died of cancer where he was asked if he’d experienced any of the “classic” stages of dealing with grief, denial, bargaining, anger etc – he said he just went from getting the diagnosis to acceptance.  I believe him.And yeah as for evolution on other words, what is the line, “there are more wonders in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in any philosophy”.  It’s beautiful.

  15. tau_1 says:

    @agnophilo – Not my friend,the ONLY WAY that I would stop commending on YOUR blog if you choose to unfriend me…Next, I would never in my life on this forum let you decide what I present as a reply to YOUR topic.I am a independent Christian and the bible and evolution are in conflict with each.God is the Creator of all things or Natural chance processes can account fo rthe existence of all things.There is popcorn, sweet corn, and field corn hounds, poodles, and collies and many varieties of mustard. this does not prove evolution to be true. It only displays genetic differences iwthin the families of corn, doges, and mustard.there is no scientif evidence ot support this view.. The evidence is only implied.

  16. agnophilo says:

    @tau_1 – Again, could you at least acknowledge that I gave you the evidence you demanded?And what you don’t realize is that humans and chimps are the same “family” of species as humans (primates) and primates, cats, dogs etc are all in the same “family” of species (mammals) and mammals, reptiles, amphibians etc are all in the same family, as are plants and animals and so on.  Taxonomy is the area of science that groups species according to their shared traits and it every living thing on the planet belongs to the same group which branches into more and more specific sub-groups.You share a significant amount of your DNA (perhaps as much as half) with corn, dogs and mustard plants.  But I doubt you’ll care, you share 95% of your DNA with chimps and you brush that off like it’s nothing.

  17. wehatethat says:

    we didn’t descend from reptiles, they just took over

  18. agnophilo says:

    @wehatethat – Didn’t say we did.  Though we kind of did a bit.

  19. tau_1 says:

    Is a monkey almost a man NOPEAs you know my friend there are other facts to be considered when attempting to prove that man had ape like evolutionary ancestors. And there are many to consider for example:Man has a permanent bepedal locomotion and primate walks on all fours.Man Great toe is line with other toes and primate grat toe like a thumbthese are just a few.

  20. agnophilo says:

    @tau_1 – “Is a monkey almost a man NOPE”Depends what you mean by “almost”.  95% of our DNA is pretty “almost”.”As you know my friend there are other facts to be considered when attempting to prove that man had ape like evolutionary ancestors. And there are many to consider for example: Man has a permanent bepedal locomotion and primate walks on all fours.Man Great toe is line with other toes and primate grat toe like a thumbthese are just a few.”We are different species you know.  Are you saying that any anatomical difference disproves common ancestry?  Does this mean people with blonde hair are not related to people with black hair?  By your logic wouldn’t this disprove common descent from adam and eve?Humans and chimps are cousins, not ancestors and descendants of one another.  We did not evolve from them nor they from us.  They are our closest relatives only because all of our more direct relatives are extinct.  If you want a more human-like (bipedal etc) primate, google “hominids”.  And for the third time could you please acknowledge the existence of the fossils I linked you to pictures of?

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